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Which do you prefer? The new or old Batman Adventures?

Thread starter Hawk Wing
Start date Sep 30, 2001

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This has come accross my mind since 1997 when the new adventures of batman came out and has stayed there until this day, so which do you think is better? I personally think the old series was better, better plot,better fight scenes, and an old feel of Batman. The new Adventures was more now days, more of the present, it had beter graphics, better sound, great fight scenes also but it just wasn't as good. I mean come on they did not protray Bruce Wayne well at all, he is suspose to be a nice guy who laughs and you wouldn't expect him to be Batman, on the new one he was always series and people told him plenty of times to loosen up, i don't recall him smiling at all on any of the epsiodes, but like i said it had great graphics, sound, and fighting scenes which made it stick out. Well, what do you think?

I thought the new episodes were superior in animation-style/quality. My fave ep's are all from TNBA; "Mad Love," Never Fear" and "Growing Pains." I like Tim Drake a lot. I'd have to go with TNBA. I like the re-designs too. Though Joker looked naked without his red lips.

In prefer the first 2 seasons. TNBA had many redesigns that really sucked (Catwoman, Joker, Mad Hatter). Tim Drake was way too young and the Mr Freeze story was pointless, Freeze always had motive (saving his wife) and now he's just out there to kill people? I'm not buying that. I also think that the Bat-Team-Ups (at least 3 heroes) were annoying Batman was rarely out without a sidekick. But TNBA also had a few good episodes and I liked the redesigns of Killer Croc and Bane.

IMO TNBA is more a kids show and not as suitable for grown-ups as BTAS was.

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Haven't discussed this like a thousand times before? Anyway the first series looked more stylish to me. The new adventures were a rather classic tv show.

TNBA...

lots of factors why I do. Mainly cuz Robin appeared more. I love Batman and all, but, I liked it when Robin was in it too...he always lightened up the mood with his sarcasm..

-BB

It's a really tough call. But I've always been a fan of story of over art (unless the art REALLY sucks), so I'll have to go with BTAS. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE TNBA (some of my fave episodes in all of Bat-history are "Over the Edge," "Old Wounds," and "Beware the Creeper."), and the animation was by far superior, but overall I'd say BTAS. Most of the time, the animation was great, and I'd say I like a greater percentage of BTAS stories to TNBA stories. Also, I REALLY like the title cards they had in BTAS.

I liked them both alot. Together, they have the virtue of being the most natural progression of the mythos ever. Everything is very well done and all the peices fall into place and you don't have a bunch of convluted gratuitious stuff like Azrael and such.

Visually, I think Bruce Timm did succeed in improvingon his designs alot. Though I believe it was not until now with evolution that came out of ROTJ and brought full circle in the JL design that he perfected his Joker.

My all time favorite improvement from the new batch of Batman eps was Bruce Timms design for Bruce Wayne. Totally freakin cool!

Also, theres something very intresting about Gotham having a red sky. Its an abstraction of course, but its one the succeeds.

In short I like them both very much and I only wish the mainlien comics were as cool or at the very least that DC would start to give a damn about their TAS titles.

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Well, first off, i love them both. Each had their own strenghts and weaknesses which made them both good and not so good. But BTAS is just better, imo.

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I like both Batman: The Animated Series/The Adventures of Batman and Robin and The New Batman Adventures. But, remember Batman: The Animated Series/The Adventures of Batman and Robin, The New Batman Adventures, Superman: The Animated Series/The New Superman Adventures,, and Justuce League are in the same continunity.

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I liked BTAS better, it was a bit more thought out than TNBA, which was more like BB in it's focus on action. The animation was better on TNBA (except for some bad character designs eg. Catwoman, Mad Hatter), but the writing was generally better in BTAS imo. Of course when TNBA was on top of it's game (Mad Love, Over the Edge), it's hard to say.

TNBA, while superior in graphics and fight scenes (those old bulky Batman forms just weren't built for complex fights), was seriously lacking in substantial storylines. They should have really laid off the cooky super villains and instead focused on "normal guy" villains like mob bosses or ninjas or something. A return of Cain would have been nice, plus some more insight into Bruce's martial arts past. A clue of where Dick had gone after he quit would have been welcome.

However, when the plots were emotional and had fulfilling motives, like in Over the Edge, Growing Pains, and Mad Love, the new series was really in top form.

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Batman: TAS lacking in story lines? Come on now. Batman: TAS was better in every respect. Also, TNBA is better than Batman Beyond. Batman Beyond will probably be better than Justice League.

I like all four, but the changes have just been to keep people interested. Batman: TAS was the original idea. (Sort of the director's cut)

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Thanks for all the replies!! I love both of the series to death and its really hard to choose!!

I didn't want to start a new thread for this topic, so I figured this would be the best place to ask: Was it ever explained why Bruce changed the Batman logo? Also, how did the change in the Robin and Batgirl costumes come about? Lastly, what happened to the B:TAS Batmobile that caused them to adopt the one seen in TNBA?

Originally posted by flhero311
I didn't want to start a new thread for this topic, so I figured this would be the best place to ask: Was it ever explained why Bruce changed the Batman logo? Also, how did the change in the Robin and Batgirl costumes come about? Lastly, what happened to the B:TAS Batmobile that caused them to adopt the one seen in TNBA?

I don't think it was ever explained. In fact, hasn't it been established that even in TNBA flashbacks to time periods that were in BTAS time that the yellow oval had disappeared? I'm think of the flashback in "Mad Love," in particular.

Another thing I didn't mention! I like the TNBA Batman better. I was never a fan of the bat on yellow for the chest design, and I like the puches on the utility belt over the other one.

I think, overall, the design were better on TNBA (sorry, I actually like Catwoman and Poison Ivy). The Joker design, as pointed out by Bruce Timm (I think) in the ROTJ commentary, the design worked really well but didn't animate well. The Batmobile is always really nice in TNBA.

But still, overall, BTAS is better.

Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

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Originally posted by Mr. Mayhem
Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

Yeah, I agree with what Mr. Mayhem has to say. They are really the same show, but it's gone through it's various changes as time progressed. Personally, I enjoyed the TNBA animation.

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Originally posted by Mr. Mayhem
Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

Mayhem has a great point. While the name of the show may have changed. While the designs may have been tweaked - it is still the same show. Overall, the show was excellent - way ahead of it's time. It's considered one of the best animated shows every made, and I back it 110%. The show was basically the birth of a new era in animation. Fittingly, when the show went, so did that era. It puttered on with BATMAN BEYOND for a little while, but when BATMAN was finished, so was that era for animation.

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